Pb DCP 4K

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Enregistré le : jeu. 20 nov. 2014 - 11:37

Pb DCP 4K

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Bonjour à tous,

J'ai un soucis sur un DCP 4K. Lorsqu'on le lance, les 2 premiers Logos fonctionnent, lorsqu'il arrive sur la bobine du film, j'ai des flashs vert. Impossible à voir le film.

si vous avez des idées je suis preneur.

Merci
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Enregistré le : ven. 4 sept. 2015 - 16:40

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Sur quel type de serveur/projecteur ?
C'est un DCP de distribution, ou un truc encodé dans la cuisine du réalisateur (ou le grenier du producteur, au choix) ? 2D ou 3D ?

Le débit ne dépasserait pas les 250Mbit/s par hasard ?
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Enregistré le : sam. 9 mai 2009 - 23:12

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Et est ce qu'il n'y a pas un conflit de fréquence d'images entre les logos et le reste?
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Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Victoria5 a écrit :C'est un DCP de distribution, ou un truc encodé dans la cuisine du réalisateur (ou le grenier du producteur, au choix) ?
:mrgreen: Les normes régissant les DCP sont les mêmes, quel que soit l'endroit où on encode. Labo, cuisine ou grenier, qu'importe : si l'humain aux commandes ne respecte pas les règles, ne veut pas lire les manuels des outils ou les recommandations DCI, c'est mal barré.
mOss a écrit :Et est ce qu'il n'y a pas un conflit de fréquence d'images entre les logos et le reste?
Effectivement si des essences à des framerate différents ont été « emballées » dans un même DCP, ça doit donner ce genre de verdure… mais je peux pas confirmer. Ce qui pourrait être intéressant aussi c'est d'avoir le contenu des cpl, pkl du DCP en question ( en plus des modèles de projo, serveur ).
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Victoria5 a écrit :Le débit ne dépasserait pas les 250Mbit/s par hasard ?
Un DCP à 450Mb, bonne piste... Des MàJ existent.
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Enregistré le : jeu. 20 nov. 2014 - 11:37

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Bonjour,

Merci pour vos réponses.

Mon projecteur : CHRISTIE CP2210
mon Serveur : DOREMI DCP2000
Ils m'ont envoyé un nouveau DCP, où le premier logo n'y est pas, et là tout fonctionne.

MErci à tous.

Voici la CPL :

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Enregistré le : ven. 4 sept. 2015 - 16:40

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Coeur Noir a écrit :
Victoria5 a écrit :C'est un DCP de distribution, ou un truc encodé dans la cuisine du réalisateur (ou le grenier du producteur, au choix) ?
:mrgreen: Les normes régissant les DCP sont les mêmes, quel que soit l'endroit où on encode. Labo, cuisine ou grenier, qu'importe : si l'humain aux commandes ne respecte pas les règles, ne veut pas lire les manuels des outils ou les recommandations DCI, c'est mal barré.
Oui, sauf que…. En général les opérateurs des labos connaissent les specs DCI, tandis que les réals ou producteurs qui se lancent, c'est souvent moins le cas. Même si ce n'est pas une règle absolue.
En l'occurrence, vu qu'on a eu les CPL et PKL, on connait le labo qui a encodé le film. :mrgreen:

Sinon, à part la taille de l'image de la première bobine (PugniInTasca_FTR_F_IT-FR_IT-TD_10_4K_ADV_20160602_HVY_IOP_OV_01.mxf) qui me parait étrangement petite (mais c'est peut-être un carton blanc sur fond noir expliquant la restauration et blablablabla comme souvent pour ce genre de films, ce qui expliquerait la légèreté du truc), je ne vois pas de loup a priori. J'ai pas calculé le débit moyen des bobines en fonction de leur taille et de leur durée non plus, ceci dit.
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Enregistré le : jeu. 20 nov. 2014 - 11:37

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Oui le bitrate tourne autour des 160Mbits/s. donc je ne vois pas trop ce qu'il se passe.
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Enregistré le : ven. 4 sept. 2015 - 16:40

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Il faudrait demander au distributeur s'ils ont eu des soucis techniques avec ce DCP, et/ou tester sur un autre modèle de serveur...
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Enregistré le : jeu. 20 nov. 2014 - 11:37

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Oui apparemment, dans une autre salle il y a eu le même soucis et dans une troisième tout a bien fonctionné...
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Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Si le problème se règle en « virant » le logo, c'est que cet élément dans le DCP n'avait probablement pas les mêmes caractéristiques que les suivants ( ratio image, framerate, iop/smpte… )

Certains serveurs accepteront quelques écarts à la norme, d'autres pas du tout… à condition que cet écart ne soit pas bloquant du point de vue informatique.
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Enregistré le : jeu. 20 nov. 2014 - 11:37

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Petite question : Comment mon projecteur CP2210 qui est en 2K peut lire un titre 4K ?
Il fait du DOWNSCALE de l'image ?
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Enregistré le : ven. 26 oct. 2007 - 14:37

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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C'est le Media Block incorporé dans le serveur ou le projecteur (Integrated Media Block / Integrated Media Server) qui gère le downscale 4K > 2K.
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Enregistré le : ven. 26 oct. 2007 - 14:37

Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Dans votre cas, c'est donc le DOREMI DCP 2000 qui gère ça
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Re: Pb DCP 4K

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Et on ne peut vraiment pas parler de « downscale » avec le format jpeg2000, en fait.

En 4K, chaque image jpeg2000 possède toutes les infos nécessaires pour une restitution jusqu'à 2K, puis jusqu'à 4K. C'est la compression par ondelette et le découpage en « tuiles » qui permettent ce système de "palier". Au final une image 2K issue d'un DCP 4K est la même que celle issue d'un DCP 2K.

C'est le serveur de lecture qui en quelque sorte arrête de décoder l'image à hauteur de sa capacité de résolution, en ne prenant que les infos nécessaires jusqu'au "palier" 2K.

Grosso-merdo le principe du format jpeg2000 c'est de stocker beaucoup d'infos pour une image, de façon décomposée ( tuiles ) en utilisant des algorithmes ( réversibles - ou pas selon la finalité ) et ce sont ces infos brutes qui sont compressées. Puis au moment de restituer l'image, le contexte d'affichage est alors pris en compte ( pas besoin de calculer la full résolution si le contexte impose un petit affichage ).

Contrairement à un jpg : si celui-ci est une image de 12 millions de pixels, tous seront « calculés » même si tu affiches l'image sur un écran HD.
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